Assessment of Geopolitical Narratives and Anomalous Claims in Purported Trump Interview
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BLUF. A recently surfaced, purported interview featuring anomalous geopolitical claims likely represents an isolated narrative shaping effort within the UK information environment, assessed with moderate confidence to pose minimal immediate risk.
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Assessment of Geopolitical Narratives and Anomalous Claims in Purported Trump Interview
STATUS: EMERGING · CONFIDENCE: MODERATE · ITEMS: 1 · MAX RISK: 0 · AVG RISK: 0 · PRIMARY COUNTRY: United Kingdom
Observation. A manual transcript of a purported interview with Donald Trump contains anomalous geopolitical claims, notably identifying Andy Burnham as the current Prime Minister of the United Kingdom. The dialogue heavily features polarizing themes, including stringent anti-immigration rhetoric directed at Spain and the UK, advocacy for expanded North Sea oil extraction alongside climate policy criticism, and disparaging remarks regarding Spain's NATO financial contributions.
Assessment. The presence of overt factual anomalies, such as naming a regional mayor as UK Prime Minister, is assessed with moderate confidence to indicate that this transcript likely represents synthetic media, an altered document, or a deliberate information operation. The precise clustering of divisive narratives—border security, NATO cohesion, and energy policy—appears to indicate a calculated effort to amplify transatlantic political fissures and inject fabricated contexts into mainstream geopolitical discourse.
Strategic significance. The circulation of ostensibly fabricated interviews featuring prominent political figures complicates the information environment and poses a persistent risk of degraded public trust and diplomatic friction among allied nations.
PMESII dimensions engaged:
- Political — The transcript falsely identifies Andy Burnham as UK Prime Minister and negatively highlights Spanish leadership regarding migration and NATO.
- Economic — The narrative advocates for aggressive North Sea oil extraction as a primary mechanism to secure UK national wealth.
- Information — The document introduces demonstrable counterfactuals into the public domain, indicative of potential synthetic generation or targeted disinformation.
ASCOPE exposure:
- People — The text characterizes migrants in Spain as culturally incompatible and inherently destructive to local law and order.
- Events — The interviewer references purported immediate civic unrest and riots in Ceuta, Spain, to frame migration as an acute security crisis.
Key Judgments
- We assess with moderate confidence that the purported interview and its anomalous claims are consistent with decentralized attempts to manipulate established geopolitical narratives.
- The lack of immediate amplification across established dissemination nodes likely indicates a failure to gain significant traction among primary target audiences.
- This activity appears to indicate ongoing baseline vulnerability to synthetic or misattributed media, though it currently lacks the indicators of a coordinated, state-directed campaign.
What to Watch (Next 24–48h)
- Emergence of secondary amplification by known state-sponsored proxy networks or prominent domestic political figures over the next 48 hours.
- Forensic indicators or platform attribution reports clarifying the origin and authenticity of the purported interview materials.
- Introduction of identical or highly similar anomalous claims into adjacent European information environments.
Raw Transcript
Transcript source: https://x.com/i/status/2095609973782773942 · Language: en · Duration: 2183s · Provider: supadata
[0:00–0:05]President, great to see you. Since we last talked, we have a new prime minister[0:05–0:09]in the UK in Andy Burnham. You had a very successful first phone call by[0:09–0:13]the sound of things. You haven't met him yet. What are your hopes for him[0:13–0:18]and our country under his premiership? Well, I love your country. And I have a[0:18–0:23]lot of relationship, as you know, through my mother with your country, Scotland. And[0:23–0:29]frankly, we had a very good talk. And I told him, you[0:29–0:35]have two problems, immigration and energy. you can solve by going to the North Sea[0:35–0:40]and becoming rich. You become rich, one of the great energy sources[0:40–0:44]in the world, and I know them all. I have Venezuela, I have the United[0:44–0:50]States, I know them all. And the North Sea, the great North Sea oil, is[0:50–0:56]phenomenal. The environmental lunatics...[0:55–1:01]would have you believe oh there's not that much left and you get[1:01–1:04]a lot of your energy from the north sea you buy it from norway and[1:04–1:10]you've made norway rich the uk has made norway rich or richer yeah[1:10–1:14]and they take it from the north sea but you don't and you have a[1:14–1:17]bigger part of the north sea so the north sea oil is a gold mine[1:17–1:21]for you if they use it so you can have either a rich nation or[1:21–1:22]a poor nation you have a is it so you can have either a rich[1:21–1:24]nation or a poor nation you have a very rich nation if you do the[1:24–1:29]north sea because that's a big thing the other is immigration if you don't stop[1:29–1:32]people pouring into your country from all over the world you're not going to have[1:32–1:37]a country left there are riots tonight in spain about the[1:37–1:43]migration in sueta and the spanish people rising up against uh sanchez[1:43–1:47]and trying to make their voices heard do you think any of the leaders across[1:47–1:49]the West and Europe are taking this issue seriously enough? across the west and europe[1:49–1:54]are taking this issue No, I think I was. I took[1:54–1:59]it very seriously. I closed our border. We haven't had a person come in illegally[1:59–2:05]into our country through the southern border in 17 months now. They just announced[2:05–2:10]17 months. Nobody. Nobody gets in. And you could do the same thing, and so[2:10–2:14]could Spain. What's happened with Spain is an outrage. When I look at it, it's[2:14–2:18]so sad. It's going to ruin their whole country. It's going to ruin the system.[2:18–2:24]It's going to ruin law and order. It's a different country. What[2:24–2:29]are they doing? And why is that? Why don't any European countries manage to put[2:29–2:33]their borders on? Well, I've been asking myself that question for a long time. Why[2:33–2:38]would people allow others to come in from other countries? Totally different people. Totally[2:38–2:40]different people. I mean, people that have no relationship to the culture, to anything. I[2:40–2:46]have no relationship to the culture, to anything, anything, any[2:46–2:51]aspect of what's been taking place in Spain for so many decades, for centuries.[2:52–2:56]Now, Spain will be a ruined country. You know, I've had my own problems with[2:56–3:00]Spain because Spain doesn't behave very well with respect to NATO. They don't pay what[3:00–3:04]they should be paying. It's very sad. Other countries pay and they don't want to[3:04–3:09]pay. They just say, we're not going to pay. Yeah. And it's terrible. But what's[3:09–3:14]happened there and it's, you know, I guess the same gentleman what's happening there is[3:14–3:17]is very sad to watch. But what's happened there, you know, I guess. And hopefully[3:17–3:23]other countries like the U .K., where you have your own problems, but it's not[3:23–3:28]as visible as that. You know, you don't have thousands of people just bum rushing[3:28–3:33]your country. I've never seen anything like it. But we had that. But we had[3:33–3:35]something we I came up with the name Caravan. You've seen the car. Something, I[3:35–3:40]came up with the name caravan. You've seen the caravans. They came in from all[3:40–3:44]parts of the world, actually. They'd come in, they'd form a caravan, 25 ,000, 30[3:44–3:50],000 people, and they'd start marching up through Mexico. They'd pass Colombia,[3:50–3:56]they'd come up through Mexico. Long, horrible march, very dangerous, very, I mean, many people[3:56–4:00]died. The women were being raped, constantly raped. Remember when I mentioned that when I[4:00–4:04]first ran for office? yeah everybody said oh what a terrible thing it turned out[4:04–4:05]what i said was nothing by comparison Everybody said, oh, what a terrible thing. It[4:03–4:08]turned out what I said was... how vicious it is and[4:08–4:14]they came up and they poured into the country our country[4:14–4:20]but somehow what's happened in spain i've never seen it almost[4:20–4:24]looks worse than anything i've seen before well the spanish people think so certainly oh[4:24–4:28]i think it's terrible it's and it will destroy spain and it'll destroy europe because[4:28–4:29]once they're in spain they're gonna not stop at spain they're gonna pour Because once[4:28–4:32]they're in Spain, they're going to not stop in Spain, they're going to pour into[4:32–4:36]your country and every other country. But they already are pouring into your country. I[4:36–4:40]do. I mean, if you go through London, London's a much different place. You have[4:40–4:44]a terrible mayor. He doesn't know he's a nasty guy, nasty person. He's a very[4:44–4:50]bad mayor. You have crime that's very high. And London's a very much different place[4:50–4:54]than if you took somebody from 15 or 20 years ago, brought him through London,[4:55–5:00]they wouldn't know what happened. such a different place this the hospitalizations from stabbing in[5:00–5:02]london have Such a different place. The hospitalisation. gone down in the last five years[5:02–5:07]it doesn't appear like that but they would they claim that they're winning that particular[5:07–5:10]war on on crime in in the uk there shouldn't be a war on crime[5:10–5:14]that you shouldn't have crime you didn't have crime in london london was a very[5:14–5:20]safe place and now you have a different culture has entered you know entered[5:20–5:25]london same thing with paris i mean it's a different culture different people[5:27–5:33]Can I ask you about... It's actually not recognizable, frankly. There are certainly areas of[5:33–5:38]London which you could describe as a monoculture. They're not a diverse culture anymore. There[5:38–5:42]is a monoculture. Well, you have areas in Paris and London where the police don't[5:42–5:46]want to even go in them. There's no law and order. They're afraid to go[5:46–5:49]in them. Either they're afraid or they just don't, you know, they don't want to[5:49–5:55]lose their life. but they run their own and then you have sharia courts and[5:55–5:56]you have lots of other But they run their own and then you have things[5:56–6:01]taking place and you have a mayor who's absolutely terrible i mean he's absolutely a[6:01–6:07]terrible representative for the uk this is not somebody that should be representing london and[6:07–6:12]the uk but he stays there because i guess he has enough votes yeah in[6:12–6:14]the people that are coming in that nobody's going to vote him out you know[6:14–6:17]democracy he's been voted in three times i mean I said in three times. I[6:17–6:21]mean, he's well, I wish you knew I wish you a new leader, a lot[6:21–6:23]of luck when you have the energy thing. he's a popular man But boy, the[6:23–6:28]energy is so easy to sell. But the because of the North Sea and then[6:28–6:33]you have probably a more difficult problem. And that's the immigration and[6:33–6:39]the millions of people that have come into your country. Andy Burnham said he's going[6:39–6:44]to take a pragmatic approach to energy in the UK. He's announced he's going to[6:44–6:48]go to COP. He believes that the planet. needs to be saved and that we[6:48–6:52]have to be working hardest to get rid of fossil fuels. You're very much an[6:52–6:58]outlier on the planet, really, as a leader of a major country and economy that[6:58–7:04]doesn't isn't troubled by that same pressure to save the planet. Why is that? Well,[7:04–7:08]I think it's been proven false. You know, it's been proven false. We had President[7:08–7:13]Obama and he talked about the carbon footprint and all. and then it hop into[7:13–7:14]a 747 air force one and it fly to And then it happened to a[7:13–7:19]seven. hawaii to play around the gulf and fly back[7:19–7:24]it's uh no it's it's all a big hoax fossil fuel is the most powerful[7:24–7:30]and it's the least expensive and you can totally watch the environment[7:30–7:36]it's very safe i mean they have windmills all over england[7:36–7:41]they have windmills all over scotland You fly over Scotland, it's the[7:41–7:45]most beautiful place in the world. you fly over scotland And you fly, they have[7:45–7:51]thousands of windmills. I fly in a helicopter over to Turnberry, let's say. Because we[7:51–7:54]have Turnberry, we have Aberdeen. And we have one where you're going to have the,[7:55–8:00]in Ireland, as you know, it's so great. They're going to have the Irish Open[8:00–8:05]there in a couple of weeks at my course, Noonbeg. Yeah. But actually, it's interesting.[8:05–8:10]in Ireland, you don't see that many windmills. But when you fly over Scotland and[8:10–8:16]you fly fly over the, you know, if you land in Heathrow, they have windmills[8:16–8:21]all over the place. We are. And it's so bad environmentally. You know, the environmentalists[8:21–8:25]say, oh, it's wonderful. It's a big hoax. I think the problem is that we[8:25–8:30]don't have a choice. We're signed up to climate treaties with the UN, with other[8:30–8:35]global organizations that we've committed with all of these other countries. The problem. The Paris[8:35–8:39]Accord. You took America out of it not once but twice. I terminated it. I[8:39–8:44]terminated it twice. No, it's a big hoax. You people can't afford to pay.[8:45–8:50]And it's weak energy. It's bad energy. The most expensive energy there is is windmills.[8:50–8:54]First of all, they cost a fortune. They're all made in China. They kill all[8:54–8:58]your birds. They ruin your sight lines. They ruin the fields. Look at these fields.[8:58–9:02]you see these beautiful fields in scotland where the most beautiful fields in the world[8:58–9:03]You see these beautiful fields in Scotland where the most beautiful... they've been[9:03–9:09]destroyed with having these steel towers and they're rusting and rotting i mean[9:09–9:13]after four or five years they begin to rust yeah is it do you think[9:13–9:17]part of the problem for you is that a lot of this manufacturing is done[9:17–9:22]in china because china has got the market sewn up with the raw materials that[9:22–9:27]we need for solar panels and for wind turbines well i don't blame china Look,[9:27–9:31]China makes windmills, but they don't use them. look china makes You know, you go[9:31–9:35]around China, you don't see too many. You know, they use coal and fossil fuel.[9:35–9:41]They use oil, natural gas, but they make the windmills. And other than having some[9:41–9:45]sites where they can show that, you know, they have a couple of, they don't,[9:45–9:49]there's very few wind farms, big, major wind farms in China. Yeah, I think there[9:49–9:52]are some smaller ones. I think they're trying, aren't they, I think, to transition so[9:52–9:54]that China will tell us. It's a transition. So China will. No, no, China is[9:54–9:57]too smart. They don't want to use they don't want to use windmills. They'll sell[9:57–9:58]them to U .K. instead. No, no, China's too smart. They don't want to use.[9:59–10:01]No, you got to straighten it out. Look, your country's in trouble. You're on the[10:01–10:07]edge of disaster. You're I call it a tipping point. You more than most[10:07–10:13]countries, you have a tremendous immigration problem and you have a tremendous energy problem. So,[10:13–10:17]well, I've really gotten it reduced a lot. We have so much oil and gas.[10:18–10:24]is very clean, clean, natural gas, even coal, by the way, you know. clean beautiful[10:24–10:29]coal you know i say but uh they have all sorts of methods to clean[10:29–10:34]coal now and a lot of things china builds mostly you know they're building right[10:34–10:39]now 58 massive coal plants yeah and you're putting up a windmill someplace it's terrible[10:39–10:45]on oil 65 billion barrels of oil i think you have access to now for[10:45–10:49]nothing you were criticized when majuro was arrested that You were criticized when Maduro was[10:49–10:54]arrested, that your critics couldn't wait to say this was President Trump flexing his muscles,[10:54–10:59]it was an international crime. Do you feel vindicated somewhat now? And was that[10:59–11:05]always the end game? Well, look, you know, Venezuela has, outside of the United[11:05–11:10]States, it probably has the second most oil in the world, right? And it's, I[11:10–11:15]mean, you know how you find oil in Venezuela? Look at the ground. You just[11:15–11:16]look, he said, there's oil right there. Just look, there's oil right there, it's popping[11:16–11:22]up. You don't have to explore for it, it's massive amounts of oil.[11:22–11:27]And other things, by the way. But the country is very unhappy, now it's happy.[11:27–11:33]You know, we're spending a tremendous amount, Exxon Mobil is in there, and Chevron is[11:33–11:38]in there, building billions and billions of dollars worth of brand new equipment to extract[11:38–11:43]the oil, and the people are working again. And, you know, Venezuela had oil, but[11:43–11:46]they weren't. using it because the system was bad. And we have a very good[11:46–11:50]relationship with the government. You know, we had an attack and we had a war.[11:50–11:54]And it lasted for a very short period of time, like less than a day.[11:55–11:59]But we had a war. Now we have a war with Iran. And that one's[11:59–12:02]for a different reason, because we're not going to let them have a nuclear weapon.[12:03–12:09]How clear are you about the nuclear materials that might still exist in Iran? Is[12:09–12:14]it possible to tell how depleted they've been? Yeah, well, they had three sites and[12:14–12:20]now they may have Pickaxe Mountain, but the three sites have been obliterated.[12:20–12:25]But we have a thing called Space Force, which is very effective, that I started[12:25–12:31]in my first term, very effective. And we have cameras on every major area of[12:31–12:34]the first three. And we also have cameras on Pickaxe Mountain. is on pickaxe mountain[12:34–12:40]and we know everybody that walks in and walks out we can read the name[12:40–12:42]i can And we know everybody that walks in. see your name bev if dev[12:42–12:46]if you're ever at pickaxe mountain i can see your name probably not i'll be[12:46–12:51]very shocked to see bev is here she is doing an interview with somebody at[12:51–12:56]picket well maybe who knows but i we can you can literally from space read[12:56–13:00]their name tag can you believe it so we know everything that's going on so[13:00–13:03]we're very certain in terms of around though it's been In terms of Iran, though,[13:03–13:09]it's been a tough sell to the American people because effectively what you've had to[13:09–13:12]do and you're still having to do is to tell the American people that you're[13:12–13:17]saving them from a threat that they didn't know existed. When they woke up at[13:17–13:19]three o 'clock in the morning, they weren't worried about the Ayatollah with a nuclear[13:19–13:24]bomb. I'm saving your country from the threat, too, because if Iran had a nuclear[13:24–13:29]weapon, they're more likely to use it in Europe, where they do have missile capability,[13:30–13:31]than they are to America, where they don't have it. where they do have missile[13:28–13:34]capability than they are to America, where they don't. And I'm saving your country from[13:34–13:39]the problem because they would use it. So they were two weeks, maybe four weeks[13:39–13:43]away from having a nuclear weapon, and we attacked them with the bombers. I also[13:43–13:49]did something else in my first term. I ended the Obama, the JCPOA. That's the[13:49–13:55]agreement, the Obama nuclear disaster, where it was basically a short road to a nuclear[13:55–13:59]weapon. and they would have had a nuclear weapon five years ago if i didn't[13:56–14:01]And they would have had a nuclear weapon five years ago. terminate that i terminated[14:01–14:06]the deal but then very importantly a year and a couple of months ago we[14:06–14:11]attacked them at those three big sites where they had lots of nuclear dust i[14:11–14:17]call it it's material that will could easily be turned into a nuclear weapon it[14:17–14:22]went through the whole process and it's now buried under millions of tons of mountain[14:22–14:26]yeah and uh will Millions of tons of mountain and will be very hard to[14:26–14:30]get to the Middle East, though, is a perpetual pain in your backside, isn't it?[14:31–14:35]Really, since you got into office, you I think because being the president of peace[14:35–14:40]is important to you that you must just wish that they could[14:40–14:46]all sort this out in some way. And well, it's been a problem for 2000[14:46–14:52]years, you know, they've been fighting. Look, I'm there because we have to stop[14:52–14:53]them from having a nuclear weapon, and it is the Middle East. Look, I'm there[14:49–14:55]because we have to stop them from. And we've done[14:55–15:00]that. Look, we've defeated the Navy. We've defeated their Air Force. We've defeated them. Their[15:00–15:06]leaders are gone. Their everything is gone just about there. You know, we just hit[15:06–15:10]them again last night, and we took out their radar. They just put new radar[15:10–15:16]in. We control the Hormuz Strait. We have great control over the Hormuz Strait. We're[15:16–15:17]taking out 30, 40 boats a night. all over the Harmo Street. We're taking out[15:17–15:21]30, 40 boats a night and a lot of oil is coming out of there.[15:21–15:27]So we control the Harmo Street and their economy is crashing. Their inflation[15:27–15:33]could be 300 percent. Their money is valueless. You know, they're equivalent of the dollar,[15:33–15:39]but their money is valueless. If you look at what's happened to their, the[15:39–15:45]dollar is strong and their money is literally of no value. It's two[15:45–15:50]million to one. or something like that. And it's going up every day. So they're[15:50–15:54]in big trouble. There's a communications problem, though, isn't there, in terms of going into[15:54–15:58]the midterms and making sure that the American voters understand the objective? We have to[15:58–16:02]explain to the American people. You know, it's interesting. When people say, are you glad[16:02–16:06]you did it? I said, absolutely, because I stopped them from having a nuclear weapon.[16:06–16:11]Because if I didn't do that, your people would call up and address them as,[16:12–16:13]sir, sir, is there anything I can do for you, sir? sir, is there anything?[16:15–16:19]No, they won't have a nuclear weapon. No, I did the right thing. And I[16:19–16:22]think the American people, you know, they were very much against my going into Venezuela.[16:23–16:26]Then I went in and won. And now everybody's saying what a great deal it[16:26–16:31]was. You know, I paid for the war many times over. We've taken out millions[16:31–16:36]of barrels of oil in Venezuela. We paid for the war many, many times. You[16:36–16:39]don't hear that too much. You know, you to the victor belong the spoils, right?[16:39–16:40]Yeah, you don't hear You know, to the victor belong the spoils, right? Yeah. You[16:40–16:45]don't hear. that very much. But with Iran, as soon as we win, which will[16:45–16:49]not be long, we've already won, because they can't have a nuclear weapon. But if[16:49–16:54]we left Iran today, it would take them 25 years to rebuild it.[16:55–16:59]But we're not going to do that. If you did leave Iran today, I know[16:59–17:04]you've been concerned. And I've seen Caroline when Levitt, when she's standing behind the podium,[17:04–17:10]multiple occasions express concern for the iranian people and how they can live[17:10–17:15]post the supreme leaders yeah and i think you've mentioned this afternoon about the fact[17:15–17:19]that it is it is up to them to start to rise up at some[17:19–17:23]point isn't it but how do they have a hard time rising because they've killed[17:23–17:29]75 000 protesters it was 52 000 a few months ago so they've killed 75[17:29–17:34]000 protesters so i mean i understand that i understand how they don't rise You[17:34–17:36]know, they tried to rise. you know they But when when you have somebody with[17:36–17:41]a machine gun or snipers all over the place shooting the people, it's very hard[17:41–17:47]to rise up. So I understand that. Talking of wars, which are irritating for you[17:47–17:52]on your very long to do list, Russia, Ukraine remains intractable[17:52–17:58]at the moment. And Andy Burnham came out. First international visit was to Ukraine[17:58–18:03]and has come out and said that he supports Ukraine. 100 percent. Is that[18:03–18:08]problematic for you when you're trying to do a deal behind the scenes? Look, does[18:08–18:13]it put us at risk? I just want the war ended. It's very simple. They're[18:13–18:18]losing 25 ,000 people every month. Russia and Ukraine both, both losing a lot.[18:19–18:23]And Russia's offensive, so they lose a little bit more. When you're offensive, you lose[18:23–18:27]more in war. But they're losing 25 ,000 between the two of them on average.[18:28–18:32]Last month, it was 32 ,000 people, and they're mostly soldiers. You know, there's some[18:32–18:37]in the, you know, cities in Kiev as a missile hits a building, very unpleasant.[18:38–18:43]But they're losing 25 ,000 to 30 ,000 soldiers a month. I just want to[18:43–18:47]see that end. I think we'll get it. You know, I ended eight wars, eight[18:47–18:50]different wars. Of the eight, four of them were supposed to be much more difficult[18:50–18:53]than this one. I thought this would be the easiest. Why is it so difficult?[18:54–18:57]Because they hate each other. You just can't get them in a room. President Putin[18:57–19:03]and President Zelensky hate each other. And they have a hard time with it.[19:03–19:07]Are you going to get Putin? Are you going to invite him to the G20[19:07–19:08]in Miami? I thought this would be the easiest one. Why is it so difficult?[18:53–18:54]Because they hate each other.[19:09–19:14]I haven't thought of it, but I will tell you, the level of animosity between[19:14–19:20]those two leaders is causing that war not to end. And[19:20–19:25]if the election weren't... rigged, the 2020 election weren't rigged, it would have never had,[19:25–19:30]you would have in the United States, that war would have never taken place. But[19:30–19:34]you wouldn't have been president in the 250th year, and that's been quite a good[19:34–19:39]thing. No, actually, I mean, the one negative is that war, the war. But we've[19:39–19:42]done things now that I don't think I could have ever been able to do[19:42–19:48]if it had gone the more traditional way. such as well there are many things[19:48–19:49]when you look at our economy and when you look at all of Such as?[19:47–19:53]Well, there are many things. When you look at the money that[19:53–19:57]we're taking in when you look at uh the people that we have we have[19:57–20:01]great people uh just you know we're the hottest country in the world right now[20:01–20:06]uh the king of saudi arabia said just a short while ago he said two[20:06–20:10]he said a year ago meaning now two years ago because i met him a[20:10–20:15]while ago but he said two years ago your country was dead and now you[20:15–20:18]have the hottest country anywhere in the world. We're worried at the moment in the[20:18–20:23]UK about the Falklands, and your friend Javier Mille has said that he's going to[20:23–20:28]make a statement, I think, tomorrow night about the Falkland Islands. The US has always[20:28–20:33]been neutral on this issue, but would you come to the aid of the UK[20:33–20:39]if... Are you saying they want to claim the Falklands? Yeah. Well, look, I was[20:39–20:42]there when they had the first war. that was a long time ago, and I[20:42–20:43]watched it so carefully, and you comported yourselves very well. That was a long time[20:41–20:47]ago. And I watched it. You took it[20:47–20:53]back pretty strongly, but it's a long way away. That's a big trip. It's a[20:53–20:58]long way. So your country's not doing well.[20:58–21:03]Don't forget, you get a big percentage of your oil from the Strait of Hormuz,[21:04–21:08]and you weren't there to help me. Your country was not there to help me.[21:09–21:14]We didn't need help. but I did ask NATO and I asked your former leader[21:14–21:19]for water and you send a couple of ships. He said, we don't have any.[21:20–21:24]And it was pretty sad, the whole thing. So NATO was not there, even though[21:24–21:28]they get most of those countries get a big portion of their oil. So we're[21:28–21:32]doing that by ourselves. Yeah, you were hurt by that. And it was very well,[21:32–21:37]I wasn't hurt. I call it an education process. but the[21:37–21:43]Falklands is very interesting because your country is not the same country it was 20[21:43–21:47]years ago, 25 years ago, and it was a long time ago, and you went[21:47–21:53]there and you just took it back very quickly, there was no games, so I[21:53–21:57]don't know if you're prepared to do that, I just don't know if you have[21:57–22:01]the capacity to do it, it's a big difference. Yeah. so how big a push[22:01–22:04]is that because i am here how big a push is that we don't know[22:04–22:05]yet hopefully How big a push is that, because I am hearing, how big a[22:03–22:09]push is that? not at all and we don't know what the beautiful sheep[22:09–22:13]we don't know what we don't know what the statement is going to be from[22:13–22:19]me late uh tomorrow night the other suggestion might be that because we've been[22:19–22:24]potentially some would some would say weak on chagos in surrendering the chagos islands[22:24–22:28]back to mauritia it's not back to mauritia that was terrible they gave it over[22:28–22:30]to people that Well, that was terrible. They gave it over to people that shouldn't[22:30–22:32]really have it, in my opinion. That was terrible. shouldn't really have it Yeah, well,[22:33–22:37]that may be coming back on your desk again now, we believe, under the new[22:37–22:40]prime minister. We haven't had confirmation. Well, they shouldn't have done that, and they couldn't[22:40–22:44]even use it. was like they were giving it to people that nobody even knows[22:44–22:48]if they have any right to it. That was your previous government. Yeah. I think[22:48–22:51]your new prime minister will have to look at that, but that was very bad.[22:51–22:57]We were flying planes much further than necessary because your country wasn't able to give[22:57–23:01]it to us. It was terrible. Look, your country's changed a lot. I hope you[23:01–23:06]know that. Some of our viewers are concerned about our country changing. They should be.[23:06–23:12]There's no doubt. And your national security strategy is such a great document. It's such[23:12–23:17]a great report. It puts clearly what it is that America wants in terms of[23:17–23:22]security and the geopolitics around the world. And one of the other things that I've[23:22–23:23]heard people from the State Department talking about here in America is this. And one[23:21–23:23]of the other things that I've heard people from the State Department talking about here[23:23–23:29]in America is this idea of a radical left coalition with a[23:29–23:35]radical version of Islam and how problematic that could be from a terror perspective.[23:35–23:38]Well I'm not worried about it from this country's standpoint but I'm worried about it[23:38–23:44]from Europe's standpoint. But we have that under control very much. Why aren't we worried[23:44–23:48]about it? I don't worry about things like that I take care of them before[23:48–23:49]they become a problem. But I wonder whether when you see Andy Burnham if before[23:48–23:52]they become a problem. But I wonder whether when you see Andy Burnham, if you[23:52–23:57]see Andy Burnham at UNGA, maybe the United Nations General Assembly in New York in[23:57–24:00]a couple of weeks, will you talk to him about this? I'll talk to him[24:00–24:03]about other things. I mean, I'll talk to him about that, but I don't think[24:03–24:05]that would be first on my mind to talk to him about it. I do[24:05–24:11]think that NATO has to get its act together very quickly. When you see[24:11–24:16]something like Spain, you know, in a certain way, that's an invasion of a country.[24:17–24:22]Yeah. It's actually, in many ways, worse than a regular military invasion. Your country is[24:22–24:25]going to be destroyed. That country is going to be destroyed. Yeah, there are reports[24:25–24:30]about 70 ,000 people went into Soweto. It's much more than that. When I look[24:30–24:35]at that, you know, I'm pretty good at estimating crowds, much more than that. But[24:35–24:40]there is a kind of vision amongst some leaders around the world, and some maybe[24:40–24:45]influencers, influencers isn't the right word, but policymakers, thinkers, unelected[24:45–24:50]bureaucrats for a borderless planet where we have but policymakers, thinkers, unelected bureaucrats, no individual[24:50–24:56]nation states. It sounds really utopian. Sounds crazy to me. Not going to work.[24:56–25:00]It's probably what you would describe. I've heard you talk about this new communism, which[25:00–25:04]is a threat here, a new type of communism. Is that part of that vision?[25:04–25:08]No, but I mean, I haven't heard that the term when you said borderless world.[25:08–25:14]I've heard it over the years, but it's so preposterous. Why would a country that's[25:14–25:16]thriving and doing over the years, but it's so preposterous. good and has people that[25:16–25:21]are hardworking, wonderful people, allow other people to come in and steal their country?[25:22–25:25]I think because there's a whole generation who say... Because they have stupid leaders, that's[25:25–25:31]why. And they say the planet belongs to nobody. The planet belongs to everybody. And[25:31–25:36]that's part of the push ideologically behind countries. The ideologues. The[25:36–25:41]ideologues. They're fools. They're fools. Okay. They're fools. I think you know that. I know[25:41–25:45]you very well. You know that. But it's a good question. But they're total fools.[25:36–25:38]Ideologues. The ideologues. They're fools. They're fools.[25:46–25:51]Now, we're in the middle of the fourth industrial revolution. We had steam and we've[25:51–25:57]had electricity and we had computers. And this revolution, sir,[25:57–26:03]is about AI. The boom in AI. This country is leading the way. The top[26:03–26:07]five tech bros who are running this all live in this country. Are you concerned[26:07–26:12]about the future with AI? Are we doing enough to protect jobs? What are the[26:12–26:15]jobs going to be for your grandchildren? The jobs are going to be massive. AI[26:15–26:18]is going to be positive. There's some negatives, but that'll be straightened out. Do you[26:18–26:24]think? And we're building plants, data centers, which, you know, data centers are[26:24–26:29]actually fabulous. They create tremendous wealth, tremendous jobs.[26:30–26:33]Salaries of people are going through the roof. It's got a little bit of press[26:33–26:35]coming. It's got a little bad press coming, you know, which it's been having for[26:35–26:38]the last few months. It started a few months ago. Some people think it was[26:38–26:44]started by China because they're very important. But data centers, if you go to most[26:44–26:49]communities where they have data centers, they're wealthy. The jobs are incredible.[26:50–26:55]Their homes are more valuable. And they've done, you know, it's a very important thing.[26:55–26:59]And we're leading China in AI. we're leading everybody in AI. We create our own[26:59–27:00]energy. We let them create their own We're leading everybody in AI. We create our[26:59–27:03]own energy. We let them create. energy. That's a big deal. But there are estimates[27:03–27:07]that it would just take millions of jobs. Anybody that works at a laptop now,[27:08–27:11]AI can do that job. I think it'll create millions of jobs because it's going[27:11–27:17]to create business and people, you know, computers and things have to be created in[27:17–27:21]some form and they're created by man. They are created, but they're created by us.[27:25–27:28]It's start with us, but I think it actually will. And so far, I'm right,[27:28–27:33]because it's creating millions and millions of jobs. And these are construction jobs. But[27:33–27:37]AI is going to be positive. I think medically, it's going to come up with[27:37–27:40]a cure to diseases that we would have never been, we would have maybe never[27:40–27:46]come up with. I'm hearing things medically that are being, that are happening now,[27:46–27:51]that with AI, you might be talking 100 years from now. We're discovering[27:51–27:57]cures to problems and diseases. that they might not be even it[27:57–28:02]might not it might not have happened in a hundred years from now. Efficiency[28:02–28:08]it will help militaries I mean I don't know if that's good or bad but[28:08–28:12]certainly in terms of fighting wars you won't be making stupid mistakes like they've made[28:12–28:15]in so many different wars. You look at wars I look at some of the[28:15–28:20]wars that were fought and lost through pure stupidity. I mean I'm looking again we[28:20–28:25]go back to Russia Ukraine. It can only help that it can't get any worse[28:25–28:29]than what's happening with all the people dying. Some people say the worst case scenario[28:29–28:34]with AI is that the robots, the machinery learns to obviously it thinks for itself.[28:34–28:39]That's what it does. And they that could turn against humanity. I just do. We[28:39–28:43]have the guardrails. It's going to be fine. We'll always have something to stop them.[28:43–28:47]Right. I have a little gear. Well, I really don't like that. I really don't[28:47–28:51]like that robot. We'll stop. But no, robots are going to be a part of[28:51–28:54]it. Robots are going to be big, but we're going to end up doing much[28:54–28:59]better because of it. It's technology. No different than when television was, they said the[28:59–29:04]movies would be out of business and the radio came and something else was going[29:04–29:10]to be gone. And it's always everything is people should think more positively. But AI[29:10–29:11]right now in this country is creating tremendous numbers of jobs. I really don't like[28:46–28:48]that. I really don't like that robot. We'll stop.[29:11–29:16]Tremendous numbers of jobs. Yeah, because those industrial revolutions, like I said, where there's always[29:16–29:22]been this technological development, but the previous times, they seem to increase wealth[29:22–29:27]for everybody. And this time, the the impression, whether it's accurate[29:27–29:31]or not, it seems to be, is that it's pushing the money upwards to just[29:31–29:36]a few. We just came out with numbers that the biggest beneficiaries of what I've[29:36–29:39]done, you know, I give big tax cuts, no tax on tips, no tax on[29:39–29:45]Social Security for our seniors, no tax on. overtime. And the biggest[29:45–29:50]beneficiaries of the middle class for taxes, relatively speaking, are the middle class. Also,[29:51–29:55]most of these companies are public companies that are doing very well with AI. They[29:55–29:59]have stockholders. They have 401ks. I don't know if you know about 401ks, but here[29:59–30:04]it's the people own pieces of these companies. And their 401ks are through the[30:04–30:09]roof. So the people that are benefiting, I'll tell you, more than anybody else are[30:09–30:12]the middle class. in the United States. That's why so many British people want to[30:12–30:16]come and live in America, frankly. Our taxes are enormous. Well, I looked at numbers[30:16–30:21]the other day, and if you look at Europe and you look at the United[30:21–30:27]States in terms of companies, they have, in the top 500 companies, we have almost[30:27–30:31]all of them. Yeah. And they have like one. The UK. We have very little.[30:32–30:35]I was very surprised. I'm very surprised. And the one is not very big. I[30:35–30:39]think we're doing quite. well for kind of investment into the U .K. at the[30:39–30:43]moment, but for existing companies. No investment in the U .S. Oh, sorry. You're doing[30:43–30:48]great with investment in the U .S. U .K. has invested, fortunately, in the United[30:48–30:51]States by buying stocks. Can you invest back in us, please? In the stock market,[30:51–30:56]right? No, but it's true, though. A lot of countries, the biggest thing they've done[30:56–31:02]is they've invested heavily in the United States. Yeah. it was[31:02–31:08]19 .2 i was saying and now it's over 20 trillion dollars uh no[31:08–31:14]country's ever had that much come in but uh many countries including your country[31:14–31:18]are investing in the u .s and their money is doubled and tripled the generation[31:18–31:22]who aren't doing very well we have the same problem the u .s and the[31:22–31:26]uk we have between 10 to 15 percent of 16 to 24 year olds who[31:26–31:27]are not in education uh employment or training they ...year -olds who are not in[31:27–31:33]education, employment, or training. They're called NEATs in the UK. Are you talking about, yeah.[31:33–31:39]That lockdown generation is terrible, terrible. How do we get those kids[31:39–31:45]out of their parents' houses, out of those bedrooms, motivate them, give them purpose? And[31:45–31:47]they go, the jobs are all going to go to AI. You used to have[31:47–31:51]a UK dream. You don't have that so much anymore, right? They used to go[31:51–31:56]out. My mother was born in Scotland, and she led a great life. She came[31:56–32:01]to America. She worked. She fell in love with a wonderful guy, my father. They[32:01–32:07]were married for many, many years. And by the way, every year she'd go back[32:07–32:13]to Scotland. The Hebrides, right, Stornaway. She would go back with my[32:13–32:19]sisters, her daughters. Every year she loved Scotland. She loved the Queen. She[32:19–32:23]loved the whole monarchy thing she would say. And if you, at 17, had been[32:23–32:27]sat in your bedroom with no ambition and no education, what would your mother have[32:27–32:29]done? And if you, at 17, had been sat in your bedroom with... Well, she[32:29–32:34]would have forced you to go out and get a job. Yeah, I'm sure she[32:34–32:38]would. You have to go out and work. Yeah. It's a tough situation, though. Other[32:38–32:43]countries have a bigger problem. I mean, they have millions of young kids and seemingly[32:43–32:48]no future. I mean, they're poor countries and seemingly no future. It's very tough. It[32:48–32:51]is tough. A big part of that is technology, of course. These children are on[32:51–32:52]their phones. They're addicted to tech. It's very tough. It is tough. A big part[32:49–32:55]of that is technology, of course. These children. We've had this significant legal[32:55–33:00]case here in America, $18 billion fine to Meta for[33:00–33:05]not a fine. They've made a donation to states. Well, it was a it was[33:05–33:10]a settlement of a lawsuit. Yeah, exactly. A kind of penalty. Yeah. And they've paid[33:10–33:16]this to the American states to provide support programs, perhaps for children because they've[33:16–33:21]had to confess, admit. that maybe the algorithms and the addictive nature was damaging to[33:21–33:27]children. Is that the right solution, or is it the parents' responsibility for the child?[33:27–33:31]I think it's the parents, but I also think that the companies can do something[33:31–33:35]to make it a little bit more difficult. But still, it does get down to[33:35–33:39]the parents. I mean, that's basically the defense. Your parents have to be watching over[33:39–33:44]the children. But the companies can do a lot, and that's why they made that[33:44–33:49]settlement. You've mentioned... Meghan and Harry this afternoon. King Charles obviously has them now[33:49–33:54]back in the UK. What would you do in that situation if you were King[33:54–33:56]Charles, and should he welcome them back to the world family? Well, first of all,[33:56–34:02]I think King Charles is fantastic. He's a friend of mine. Personally, I would not[34:02–34:07]have taken him back. Too much hate, too many really bad things said. He wrote[34:07–34:12]a book that was so bad, and she was a horrible influence on him. What[34:12–34:17]she's done to him is unacceptable. Even though King Charles obviously is unwell[34:17–34:22]now, maybe he's thinking this is the time to... We're talking about Charles? Yeah. Oh[34:22–34:28]no, you're well, but I'm just saying Meghan and her husband,[34:29–34:33]I would not have taken him back in. Yeah, the family will... King Charles,[34:34–34:38]I would not... There's too much... You know, he just left. He was here a[34:38–34:39]couple of months ago. But not there's too much. You know, he just left. He[34:37–34:41]was here a couple of months ago. He's everybody loved him in America. He spoke[34:41–34:45]in front of Congress. Everybody loved him. He's a fantastic guy. And he's been a[34:45–34:48]friend of mine for a long time. I knew him as Prince Charles. I knew[34:48–34:54]him as King Charles. And he's amazing. And he's fighting through[34:54–34:58]a very tough situation with it, with his health. And very few people would have[34:58–35:04]that bravery to do what he's done. But I think that what she has done[35:04–35:06]and him, you know, that what she has done and and him you know he[35:06–35:10]wrote a book that was very terrible yeah to William[35:10–35:16]it was terrible the things he said I wouldn't I mean it's just me[35:16–35:19]I'm sure I'm wrong on this but I would not have taken him back I[35:19–35:23]wouldn't I would have never spoken to him again we don't know if there is[35:23–35:26]a relationship between them at the moment there's definitely no relationship between Harry and William[35:26–35:31]at the moment but Charles obviously has extended an olive branch They're not living on[35:31–35:32]it. That shows you what a good man. they're not living on that shows you[35:32–35:35]what a good man It does. He must have had to dig deep. He's a[35:35–35:38]much better person than I am. I wouldn't have done it. I would have said,[35:38–35:43]forget it. But you see, your children probably wouldn't have done what Harry did to[35:43–35:47]his father. The relationship is different. I hope not. You must be sad to see[35:47–35:52]Caroline Levitt go from the podium. Who's in line for that job? A lot of[35:52–35:55]people want it. I can tell you she was great. She did a great job[35:55–35:57]and she'll be involved indirectly. But she had two children. And she'll be involved indirectly,[35:57–36:02]but she, you know, had two children. she's proven she loves her children more than[36:02–36:05]she loves me. And that's okay. That's the way it's supposed to be. But she[36:05–36:11]was fantastic. I mean, I'd love to be able to get somebody just like her.[36:11–36:15]Yeah. I don't know if that's going to be possible. Very big sense, Phil. We[36:15–36:20]have many, many people that want it and very good people. And we'll pick the[36:20–36:23]right one. Yeah. Okay. Thank you so much. Thank you very much. Thank you, Beth.
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